Kindred Musters Update IV - 3rd May 2018

[Rob Lane]

Everyone,

Please note that all of the kindred musters (and the muster rules) have been updated to fix a few errors here and there.

Go here to download them: http://mierce-miniatures.com/index.php?act=drm

Feel free to note any errors or typos in these updates by replying to this post.

Cheers
Rob

[Icchan]

I noticed most Norse units no longer uses the outdated Switch rule in their weapons, but they still exist in Filungi and Holumann.

EDIT: Nevermind, I see now why you would need those. Though the Holumann's options still make me question them. Sword is switch (Axe), Axe is switch (Shield). So if I use the sword I can still use the shield as well, but what if I use the axe, can I still use the sword? Shouldn't the Axe be switch (Sword)?

EDIT2: Also Hirdmen and Bondmen seem to be missing, is this on purpose?

[Rob Lane]

I noticed most Norse units no longer uses the outdated Switch rule in their weapons, but they still exist in Filungi and Holumann.

EDIT: Nevermind, I see now why you would need those. Though the Holumann's options still make me question them. Sword is switch (Axe), Axe is switch (Shield). So if I use the sword I can still use the shield as well, but what if I use the axe, can I still use the sword? Shouldn't the Axe be switch (Sword)?

Yes it should! Good spot. The Axe / Sword should both switch with each other, leaving the other hand for the shield.

EDIT2: Also Hirdmen and Bondmen seem to be missing, is this on purpose?

Yes, they're not for public consumption - they shouldn't have been on the last muster. They're still in playtest, basically!

Cheers
Rob

[Dunni the Stout]

Jute Muster v1.16,
With Thain has Influence (Wihtsweord) but Wihtsweord units are already Common ubiquity. Is there something else going on that I'm missing?

[Rob Lane]

Yes, that means he can take two of them to be the command Mainstay unit. See 1·1·4·2·3 - COMMON on p6 of the Muster Rules.

Cheers
Rob

[Dunni the Stout]

Yes, that means he can take two of them to be the command Mainstay unit. See 1·1·4·2·3 - COMMON on p6 of the Muster Rules.

Cheers
Rob

"Lightbulb!"

And suddenly every question I'd been having about the major change in ubiquity and muster lists just clicked into place! I feel a little foolish that it's taken this long for me to get that. Life is good! Thanks Rob

[Rob Lane]

You're welcome dude ;o)

Cheers
Rob

[Jonathon Chester]

Hi Rob,

The Taunagh have the shieldwall ability but no shields

[Rob Lane]

Good point, I'll amend!

Cheers
Rob

[demyse]

Death-Brute can compel/Influence the following on this profile - Compel (Drune-Brute, Brute, Brute Corruptor); Influence (Brute-Beast)

but the leader of brutes states the following - If a Death-Brute is mustered as a commander, only Drune-Brutes, Brutes, Brute-Beasts or Hulks may be taken in his command. One Death-Drune unit, one Brute unit, one Brute-Beast unit
or one Hulk may count their AUTHORITY as 0 if they are mustered within a Death-Brute's command

So the question is regarding Brute Corruptors, can they be taken or not, compel/influence says yes, leader of brutes says no

many thanks

[Rob Lane]

Yes, that's a mishtook. Brute Corruptors are fine. I'll amend!

Cheers
Rob

[demyse]

Yes, that's a mishtook. Brute Corruptors are fine. I'll amend!

Cheers
Rob

Does that also mean they can be included as one unit that has its authority reduced to zero?

[Icchan]

Atalantes Khalkotes Sunfist equipment has " Switch (Oplon) ", however they do not have any equipment with that name.

[Brightblade]

On the Fomoraic Spells of Ice list it has Ice Shards stated as a Focus spell, but then goes on to list a ranges for the spell, surely this should be a Sighted Spell rather than a Focus spell..

[Jonathon Chester]

Just a quick one Rob, the Beast of Danu has influence Fen Beasts but doesn't have the authority to take two units of Fen Beasts. As it stands the Beast of Danu has Authority 46 where as two units of Fen Beasts are 52. I am aware there was a general down grading of authority for the majority of spell casters, however was this one an accidental oversight or is this as intended?

Thank you.

[Rob Lane]

Atalantes Khalkotes Sunfist equipment has " Switch (Oplon) ", however they do not have any equipment with that name.

Ah yes, that should be Aspis. Good spot!

Cheers
Rob

[Rob Lane]

On the Fomoraic Spells of Ice list it has Ice Shards stated as a Focus spell, but then goes on to list a ranges for the spell, surely this should be a Sighted Spell rather than a Focus spell..

Whoops yes, that's a Sight invocation! Good spot, I'll fix.

Cheers
Rob

[Icchan]

Are there any changes planned for Stratekolossos now that the new Mesokolossos infantry starter has been released? Stratekolossos doesn't have enough authority to take command of both the mesokolossos and the bull of bronze.

[Rob Lane]

Yeah, I'll change that.

Cheers
Rob

[Jonathon Chester]

Just a quick one Rob, the Beast of Danu has influence Fen Beasts but doesn't have the authority to take two units of Fen Beasts. As it stands the Beast of Danu has Authority 46 where as two units of Fen Beasts are 52. I am aware there was a general down grading of authority for the majority of spell casters, however was this one an accidental oversight or is this as intended?

Thank you.

[Rob Lane]

Well that's weird, I answered that the other day. How odd. Simply put, the Beast of Danu shouldn't be able to Influence anything - I will remove that.

Cheers
Rob

[Jonathon Chester]

Well that's weird, I answered that the other day. How odd. Simply put, the Beast of Danu shouldn't be able to Influence anything - I will remove that.

Cheers
Rob

Maybe you typed it but it didn't post? Thanks for the clarification

[Rob Lane]

Are there any changes planned for Stratekolossos now that the new Mesokolossos infantry starter has been released? Stratekolossos doesn't have enough authority to take command of both the mesokolossos and the bull of bronze.

The Stratekolossos now has this rule:

Controller of Automata: If a Stratekolossos is mustered as a commander, a Compelled unit of Mesokolossos in his command has an AUTHORITY of 0.

Cheers
Rob

[Icchan]

So basically if Tekhnomantis uses his ring to force an activation on them, they'll automatically fail the force test? So better not force compelled mesokolossi...

[Jonathon Chester]

So basically if Tekhnomantis uses his ring to force an activation on them, they'll automatically fail the force test? So better not force compelled mesokolossi...

I’d hazard a guess they only are 0 authority for muster purposes you’d still make the roll against normal authority. Also a 0 isn’t a auto fail, you can roll a 0 on a D100 roll only auto fail for tests is 99

[Dunni the Stout]

Tarvax Tain has the realm Baalor, but regular Tavax have realm Cursed Herd. How does this affect unit selection and authority?

[Rob Lane]

Well, it's wrong... he should be Cursed Herd of course! I'll change it. Good spot!

Cheers
Rob

[demyse]

Infernii - Servile Fiend of Dis - there isn't a combat weapon entry for the 1 handed axe of Dis for the shieldwall variant
Byzantii - Signifier - cant form a command (I know they can go in the Host command, is this their only intention?)
Byzantii - demimagus - cant form a command (also assuming this is to stop wizard spam)
Byzantii - Auxilia Bestiarius - Parma doesn't have a switch option, currently the profile is a whip in one hand, with the option of a sword or dagger in the other, but no indication what hand can use the parma

[Rob Lane]

Infernii - Servile Fiend of Dis - there isn't a combat weapon entry for the 1 handed axe of Dis for the shieldwall variant

Good point! I'll sort that out...!

Byzantii - Signifier - cant form a command (I know they can go in the Host command, is this their only intention?)

Yes. They are Signifers, not leaders...

Byzantii - demimagus - cant form a command (also assuming this is to stop wizard spam)

Yep... that's the idea...

Byzantii - Auxilia Bestiarius - Parma doesn't have a switch option, currently the profile is a whip in one hand, with the option of a sword or dagger in the other, but no indication what hand can use the parma

Well Switch is basically meant to ensure that certain weapons/armour can't be used together; generally speaking, look at Hands rather than me having to explain what hand can have what. Does that make sense?

Cheers
Rob

[Jonathon Chester]

Rob Ice Shards is listed as a focus spell but has a range

[Brightblade]

Rob Ice Shards is listed as a focus spell but has a range

Already mentioned that further up the thread...

[Jonathon Chester]

Ah was something a club mate spotted but hadn’t had approval yet

[demyse]

Sellswords
Morag of Mann is a spellcaster and only has a temper of 14

Beowa can be a noble commander of a Jute (Wiht) host, but there are no wiht mainstay option

[Rob Lane]

Sellswords
Morag of Mann is a spellcaster and only has a temper of 14

Ooops... yes, I'll fix that.

Beowa can be a noble commander of a Jute (Wiht) host, but there are no wiht mainstay option

Good point. I must remember to think about the sell-swords being commanders in other hosts.

Cheers
Rob

[Rob Lane]

Currently working on the musters for the latest updates.

Some interesting changes for you all include most two-weapon options getting the Quick Strike rule and the addition of Strength to the profiles.

Cheers
Rob

[James Balmer]

Nice, that should make the two weapon options more enticing when compared to 2-handed weapons.

[Brightblade]

Currently working on the musters for the updates.

I've only just printed and laminated the last lot...

Can we possibly have set times when they are updated please, like maybe twice yearly or quarterly?

[Jonathon Chester]

Currently working on the musters for the updates.

I've only just printed and laminated the last lot...

Can we possibly have set times when they are updated please, like maybe twice yearly or quarterly?

Well the last lot was last quarter

Rob may be working on them but doesn't mean they'll appear straight away, no doubt playtesting will need to happen to make sure these changes are not going to knock the game off balance.

[Rob Lane]

I've only just printed and laminated the last lot...

Can we possibly have set times when they are updated please, like maybe twice yearly or quarterly?

Apologies, but I have promised in the past they'll be done every quarter, and we're now at the end of the second quarter of the year... the first quarter's update was late you see, it was at the start of May. Sorry dude!

Cheers
Rob

[Rob Lane]

Nice, that should make the two weapon options more enticing when compared to 2-handed weapons.

That's basically the idea, really...

Cheers
Rob

[James Balmer]

Nice, that should make the two weapon options more enticing when compared to 2-handed weapons.

That's basically the idea, really...

Cheers
Rob

Quick question...

If Quick Strike causes 8s and 9s to be treated as Swift Strikes and generate the additional damage dice... do they also cause damage effects such as fire or cold on 8s and 9s?

[Rob Lane]

No, because effect damage occurs with vicious wounds. I am also adding in vicious wound rules to certain things though, please note ;o)

Another change will be the addition of impact strikes to stuff that runs in and chins you - Gabrax, Tarvax, Chimera horn butt, etc.! Remember that impact strikes are separate to normal strikes and wounds are taken off immediately, and subsequent parries use their new C+A...

Cheers
Rob

[Jonathon Chester]

Nice, that should make the two weapon options more enticing when compared to 2-handed weapons.

That's basically the idea, really...

Cheers
Rob

Quick question...

If Quick Strike causes 8s and 9s to be treated as Swift Strikes and generate the additional damage dice... do they also cause damage effects such as fire or cold on 8s and 9s?

No, quick strike generates extra hits to be parried on 8 and 9's not extra damage so would not generate those types of effects.

[Rob Lane]

Jinx!

[Jonathon Chester]

[James Balmer]

That's basically the idea, really...

Cheers
Rob

Quick question...

If Quick Strike causes 8s and 9s to be treated as Swift Strikes and generate the additional damage dice... do they also cause damage effects such as fire or cold on 8s and 9s?

No, quick strike generates extra hits to be parried on 8 and 9's not extra damage so would not generate those types of effects.

Ah, I must confess I did only lightly skim read the rule and I have slept since that time.
The effects are generated at the damage stage? So after the strikes have been generated and parried. Meaning they still occur on 9s only.
That sound about right?

[Rob Lane]

That's right James. You'll get vicious wounds (i.e., effect damage on 8 or 9) on some monsters with the next muster update ;o)

Cheers
Rob

[Jonathon Chester]

That's right James. You'll get vicious wounds (i.e., effect damage on 8 or 9) on some monsters with the next muster update ;o)

Cheers
Rob

Will this incur a cost increase or is it a general desire to give monsters a little boost?

[James Balmer]

That's right James. You'll get vicious wounds (i.e., effect damage on 8 or 9) on some monsters with the next muster update ;o)

Cheers
Rob

Oh gods I needs some of them monsters.

[James Balmer]

While we're here and discussing effects, I can't for the life of me find anything in the current musters that uses corrosion damage... I don't suppose you could point me at something that does?

If not it's no worry, I was just reading through and came to the conclusion that corrosion is quite powerful, destroying a piece of equipment in addition to causing 1d10 damage and wanted to see what used it.